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Beaver dam ky

What are the best True Green Squash seeds out there right now?

12/5/2022 12:26:53 PM

Lodi, California

Just as a blanket statement, any progeny of the 1844* Holub, which was the result of crossing the 282 Scherber (1725 Harp x self) AG and the 615* Cantrell squash. Here's a link to the original cross made by Scott Holub, which he selfed to isolate the green progeny:

https://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/PumpkinsSeedGenetics.php?PN=1478.5%20Holub%202014

These are the genetics that pushed squash past 1500 pounds, and are the reason we were able to get 3 squash over 2000.

The specific answer to your question is that the 1109 Jutras is the hot seed of the time, though good luck getting one for under $400. There are plenty of crosses with the 1109, and there are other seeds such as the 927 and 1838 Jutras which have done well. You can always try out some of the new seeds grown this year as well.

Here is a good resource for finding just about everything you need, note that if you go far enough back, the AG progeny disappears because it is not a squash, and can be found on pumpkinfanatic.

https://squash.giantstogrow.com/

12/5/2022 1:12:49 PM

Lodi, California

My suggestion if we want to see some beautiful green squash over 2000lbs in the near future, is to follow in Scott Holubs lead, except perhaps improve it with more than one genetic line, so green squash can be interbred with other diverse genetic lines

12/5/2022 1:18:03 PM

Lodi, California

The hardest part about this process is the scale and the time. You can keep crossing AGs and squash repetitively, and even so if you plant 100 seeds and only select the greenest progeny, you won't lose anything in terms of color. The problem is only a hand full of people will only grow 1 or 2 plants

12/5/2022 1:21:52 PM

Ct

There will be some great Squash seeds available in the CTGPGC auction coming up on Dec 16. The auction will include some of the ones mentioned above plus some of the mentioned attempts to cross AGs with proven squash. Stay tuned as we finalize our lots.

12/6/2022 7:42:12 PM

Western NY

Just wondering how is the 1844 considered a True Green Squash when you have the 1725 Harp x self in the mix?

12/7/2022 7:33:50 PM

Lodi, California

Because it's green... That's literally the only difference between "True green squash" and AGs, they're the same, aside from being genetically isolated for years and green squash being selfed over and over again.

12/7/2022 10:37:31 PM

Western NY

Ashton, you said that true green squash were genetically isolated for years which would make them true green squash. When you introduce AG's into squash it shouldn't be a true green squash. Just wondering but do these true green squash seeds only produce true green squash or do they also produce AG's?

12/8/2022 7:56:05 PM

Rapid City, SD

The true greenie has been compromised for the past few years and growing one of these can result in a squash or pumpkin.....aka squmpkin....sad to see the end of the true greenie

12/8/2022 9:22:58 PM

50 Acres

In my opinion there are true green seeds out there in vaults. Yes they are older, but every one is trying for 2000 lbs which you will not get from the dark greens. Jim

12/9/2022 8:18:56 AM

Western NY

Even the old timey ones were compromised with icky pumpkin genetics back in the day too.

12/9/2022 8:42:45 AM

Lodi, California

It would be very easy to make the current squash genetics more green through proper breeding techniques. Ie planting a large sample size and selecting the greenest progeny.

12/9/2022 12:48:56 PM

Salem Ohio

Back to the original question, I think the 1298 Dietrich ‘22 might be about the absolute best true green squash you could get this year. I will be planting one. I know he had some on Facebook, here’s a link if you’re interested in any:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid033G1DZKAzg7qfHhPp1AJmjYZdyLNt5bhzzAV6VUhRxa8dwVgDgLpgHSevuA57X8ULl&id=100063560554649

12/9/2022 7:15:00 PM

Salem Ohio

It’s my understanding that the 1844 Holub was a (1060 Holub x 1060 Holub), not a 1725 Harp. I’m just going off what pumpkin fanatic lists it as.

12/9/2022 7:29:45 PM

Lodi, California

Ben I am correct, the 1060 Holub is the 1478xself. All the information is here:

https://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/PumpkinsSeedGenetics.php

The 1298 Dietrich is half and half new and old

12/9/2022 8:39:21 PM

Lodi, California

Oops got the wrong link. Here is the link to the 1060 Holub:

https://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/PumpkinsSeedGenetics.php?PN=1060%20Holub%202015

12/9/2022 8:40:49 PM

Lodi, California

The reason I left out the 1060 holub in my initial explanation is because you have to self a squash x pumpkin cross twice before getting green squash seeds. I was just simplifying it

12/9/2022 8:42:39 PM

Lodi, California

As I mentioned before Ben, there is a gap in the information between the squash genetics website and pumpkin fanatic, because the genetics jump between them. That's why you can't see the genetics of the 1060 on the squash website. They're on pumpkin fanatic because the 1060 Holub was orange.

12/9/2022 8:46:04 PM

Lodi, California

Picture of the 1060 Holub:

https://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/fruitImages.php?PN=1060%20Holub%202015

12/9/2022 8:47:09 PM

Salem Ohio

I believe you’re confusing the 1844 Holub for the 1478.5 Holub. The 1478.5 ‘14 is the one that was crossed with a Pumpkin. 1478.5 Holub ‘14 (282 Scherber x 615 Cantrell.

12/9/2022 8:49:40 PM

Salem Ohio

I see what you’re saying about the 1060 Holub on pumpkin fanatics. That why it had a dead end on squash fanatics.

12/9/2022 8:54:14 PM

Lodi, California

Ben not only am I correct, but you can ask most squash growers and they'll be able to corroborate. The 1844 is 1060xself, and the 1060 is 1478xself. It's really easy to verify this just by looking at the links I've sent, and you can further verify by searching up on the gpc info page, and you can further further verify by emailing Scott Holub about it

12/9/2022 8:55:59 PM

Syracuse, NY

Is it just me or would a squash fruit, being dark green, not appear as such if it were to become huge?
Would the largest fruit on a plant of say 3 be lighter in color than 1 and 2 based solely on its size?
Consider a balloon and you write anything on it with a marker - it gets more and more faded as the balloon is
blown up whether that is the intent or not. Was not the Atlantic Giant a squash to begin with like 30 years ago?
Just wonderin'. eg

12/10/2022 4:26:07 PM

Lodi, California

Pumpkinpal, to answer your last question, squash and pumpkin are just somewhat arbitrary names we've given to things. As I'm sure you know, AGs are still cucurbita maxima squash. The green genetics used to be mixed in with AGs, and people decided to select them and pure breed them for their color. Since the green trait is recessive, it faded from AGs and continued with the "true green" squash.

No idea about your first question, it's an interesting one. Assuming the amount of chlorophyll in the skin is fixed, then yes the more it stretches out the less intense the green color would be. But that is based on the presupposition that the amount of chlorophyll is fixed. Plants with jumbo leaves are still just as green, because the amount of chlorophyll per square inch isn't dependent on the size of the leaf. My guess it that it is probably similar with the fruit, though I have no way of knowing for sure.

12/12/2022 2:21:14 PM

Lodi, California

To add perhaps a shred of anecdotal evidence, I don't think it's a rule that squash become less dark as they grow. If anything, I think they sometimes have a propensity to darken as they age. Some squash become lighter in coloration with time, but I'm not sure this is the result in a change in size, but rather a change in the production of pigment within the skin of the fruit.

12/12/2022 2:26:55 PM

Syracuse, NY

That all very makes sense and thank you for
'putting it in(to) print'! eric g

12/12/2022 2:58:56 PM