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Soldotna,AK

If any of you have a 1317 you are not going to plant, I would like a couple.Please email me at pwhite@carollo.com and we will see if we can trade..

12/16/2014 2:10:59 PM

Muddy Waters

I have a few I wont be planting.LOL

12/17/2014 6:43:26 AM

Wixom MI.

Mean mark, just plain mean !!! Lol...

12/17/2014 5:25:06 PM

Mission Viejo, CA

Patrick you could always buy one here for the low, low price of $100

http://www.worldclassgardening.com/grower/mark_clementz

12/17/2014 5:43:31 PM

Claysburg , PA

For those who missed out & wanted the Clementz seeds
I will sell 10 packs for 100$ each to support the Worldwidegiantgrowers.com prize structure.You will get
1 -1317 Clementz
1-1947.5
2-1768s
I accept pay pal Payment@worldwidegiantgrowers.com Just add a message WWGG seed pack with shipping address of course!

or e-mail me to send a check Mark@worldwidegiantgrowers.com

12/17/2014 6:07:52 PM

Wixom MI.

Their will be many at the auctions

12/17/2014 6:50:51 PM

Torrance, Ca.

lol Kevin!

12/17/2014 7:17:41 PM

Soldotna,AK

Why don't you guys behave yourselves for a change.

12/17/2014 8:40:52 PM

Muddy Waters

or buy one at a club for 100$ and support your favorite club.I have sold quite a few for 100$ I'm Good!Help a Club!

12/17/2014 9:39:04 PM

Mission Viejo, CA

Who is misbehaving? This is just another winter thread on bp.com. :D

12/18/2014 12:51:33 AM

Soldotna,AK

Quit teasing Bubba

12/18/2014 1:13:16 AM

Mission Viejo, CA

Mark can handle himself just fine. He's got a right to sell his seeds for whatever price the market will bear. I don't know Mark but I have a ton of respect for what he gives back to the hobby and he's clearly a huge proponent of the clubs and donates heavily to them so they can fundraise. Wish we had a strong local club in Southern California. If we did, I bet Mark would be there to donate seeds to our club.
So many great people in this community of growers. Some growers give away almost all their seeds. Thats great too. As many great seeds as there are out there now, there's plenty of choices for everyone!

12/18/2014 1:30:48 AM

Muddy Waters

Yes I can handle the heat.I have been thrown under the bus a few times here on BP.I gave out a lot of seeds already I'm down to hand full to sell and my personal stash of 30 seeds.I figure 6 seeds a year for 5 years for myself and maybe a local friend or two who will plant the culls and back ups.I dont think everyone one realizes the quality of the genectics here.Big orange pumpkin 8% heavy first year grown.The only plant in my patch from the 1317 & hits 1947.5 lbs. I cant wait to grow it again.This time 2 plants from the 1317 will be grown.I think it has a WR in it.No one blew it up .I think the blossum end is as solid as they come.Not many heavy hitters have grown this seed yet in a normal size plot.Dale Marshall was on 400 sg feet.So grow them if you like it will be in the top 10 in 2015 of that I'm sure.Here I go making crazy predictions again.lol

12/18/2014 7:40:10 AM

Muddy Waters

OH one of my predictions last summer was wrong I beleive it was late July here on BP.I stated the World Record would be broken 3 times as well as the Michigan record broke 3 times.

Dang Burn it! Dont tell Ma Ma Bubba I was wrong again.
They were both broken 5 times.I'm calling the Physic Hot line & getting a refund.lol

12/18/2014 7:44:34 AM

Mission Viejo, CA

If it grows a WR then $100 per seed will be considered cheap - in the rear view mirror. We all know that world class seeds sell for considerably higher at auction.

12/18/2014 1:08:47 PM

Torrance, Ca.

All I want to see is a big, shinny, perfect shaped orange one come pumpkinmania time Kev!!!!

With a personal best to boot which I think will be an easy task for you in 2015!;)

12/18/2014 2:07:22 PM

Nottingham, UK

Patrick, I too wanted to grow this seed but just can't stretch to buying it with all the other things that cost in the patch so it will never see my patch.

However, there are SO many good seeds to choose from, and SO many generous growers (Novices & Heavy Hitters) that switching to another seed is not the end of the world. To the contrary.

Good luck

12/18/2014 3:37:44 PM

Germany

Patrick, here comes a hint:
Check out the pumpkinfanatic site for info on the 1140.2 Finders seed:

http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/PumpkinsSeedGenetics.php

See what it grew in the first year it was grown: A new WR!
See what it grew for other growers in the following years: ...???

Things can happen! Sometimes the first seed grown from a new cross might turn out to produce a new WR!

12/18/2014 3:51:06 PM

Germany

http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=1140.2%20Finders%202011

12/18/2014 3:51:50 PM

Mission Viejo, CA

Chris it should be easy because I really STINK at this hobby LOL
But I have SO MUCH FUN it doesn't matter much. Much.

12/18/2014 4:31:45 PM

Torrance, Ca.

You beat me this year Kevin! Does that mean I really stink? lol

No matter what,,,, your right,,,,,,, the fun is worth every bit of a " stinky " year.

12/18/2014 5:56:53 PM

Muddy Waters

Everyone has to go with there gut feeling.After I re prove the 1317 in 2015.They will be really hard to get as there wont be many left it will grow a 2000 lb plus kin.Mark my word.But go with your gut!

12/18/2014 6:14:15 PM

Mission Viejo, CA

Geez Chris it would have been something to beat you! And it might have been sweet until your 6 year old prodigy wiz kid pumpkin genius hadn't kicked my butt.

Tell us, what seed is Kingston picking for next year? I will blow a big chunk of dough on that seed! LOL

12/18/2014 6:26:20 PM

Soldotna,AK

Pumpking, this is going to start a war but it is a winter BP thread as I was previously reminded. The 1042.2 Finders was grown big by Steve Geddes. The growers in subsequent years were not " heavy hitters ". . The 1317 was grown big by Mark. With the exception of maybe Gethweiler the same can be said of other 1317 growers last year. Does this mean these non " heavy hitters " are not good growers? I think it indicates that most growers don't start multiple seeds and cull the weakest. Mark and according to Mark, the Wallace's recommend that at least four seeds be started and the strongest selected to grow. Each seed has a different potential. You have one chance in six with an individual seed of a plant which falls one standard deviation above the mean in a normal distribution. Growers who have access to multiple seeds often use this approach. Certainly not all and certainly when a seed is rare or expensive it is not culled. Now let the games begin.

12/18/2014 9:11:38 PM

Muddy Waters

Yes I agree Patrick.I dont think very many in the Bubba Challenge followed the advice of starting all 4 seeds.Then plant the best 2 plants and cull to 1.This was the Ron Wallace & Chris Kent method I followed.I talked to a few growers they started 1 or 2 seeds.I dont think the 1140 is a good comparsion either,as the 1317 has already grown a 1503 and a couple 1400s.The 1495 Stelts X the 2009 Wallace.What a great cross! To each his own,Dont let others opinions bother you, I don't.Everyone has a right to there opinion. Im good with that.

12/18/2014 10:04:23 PM

Torrance, Ca.

He's planting the 1676 or the 1623 Kevin!

Says he wants to take me out again!

12/18/2014 10:07:25 PM

Upa Creek, Mo

Fellow Alaskan Dale M grew the 1317 last year, and I would say he is on the heavy hitter list considering he grew 1723 when those numbers were not nearly as common (2011). He'd be a good source for a cross, Patrick, if you cannot find an original.

12/19/2014 7:56:44 AM

Germany

@ Bubba: Is this really the Ron Wallace method (to start 4 seeds and plant the two best and then cull back to one)? If that´s true, and if that´s the key to success (i.e., to the biggest pumpkins Ron had grown), that would mean that he had started at least four 1725 Harp seeds in 2011 (when he grew the 1789 Freak) and another four 1725 Harp seeds in 2012 (when he grew the 2009)...is this true? Can´t remember if there was any hint at this strategy in Ron´s report in the SNGPG newsletter.
Anyway, I agree with you that it is a good idea to start more than one seed and then to stick with the strongest plant.
@Patrick W: This means you better buy four of the 1317 seeds (for something like 100$ each).
@all: Those of you who definitely recommend growers should start 4 seeds (or at least 2 or 3), you could easily help other growers do that the way you suggest simply by filling the respective number of seeds in the envelopes you send out to the clubs for auctions.
@myself: Continue to respond on seed requests with multiply filled envelopes and with adding the comment that the growers better start more than just one seed and then stick with the strongest plant.

12/19/2014 3:06:37 PM

Mission Viejo, CA

Pumpking makes a great point. I've never had anyone offer 4 seeds. 1 or 2 seems typical (and generous). The auctions don't include 4 seeds, although sometimes the lots are 2 seeds and there are 2 lots but this isn't the premium seeds. The grower who wants to use this technique is going to have to win multiple auctions of the same seed or have generous friends.

I start 4 seeds for each plant I grow but the seeds aren't the same. I have a first choice and a second choice and those two will make the patch as long as they are healthy and strong. Then cull down to the best of the two in the patch.
The other way is just to buy seeds and then get as many as you need/ want/afford.
Can someone loan me $400? :D

12/19/2014 6:28:18 PM

Soldotna,AK

The fact that growers offer only one or two seeds or seeds cost too much has nothing to do with the genetics. Also notice I said growers don't do this with rare or expensive seeds- they should but they can't. Come on guys- every seed from the same kin has a different potential. This is just a way to try to identify one which will grow the biggest kin. Does a smaller plant mean it will not grow a big one- no, there are lots of exceptions. But go out to your garden and look at your other vegetables. Big strong plants are generally more productive.

12/19/2014 6:37:43 PM

San Diego

Hey Kevin, I'm taking the year off, but you might have another kid aiming high, Joshua, now 4 wants to grow his own plant. Papa might help him a little but gonna let him do most of the work. Should be fun, but he tells me he wants to grow an orange fruit, not a big fruit:-D

12/19/2014 7:14:12 PM

Muddy Waters

Ron said one reason the HH do really good with there own seeds is they can start 4 plants & pick choose the best to go in the ground.Next year I will start 4 1947s & 4 1317s & go with the best.But Im sure everyone cant afford to do this.I did give growers 4 seeds from the 1317 last year in the BUBBA challenge and most didnt plant them.They stuck a couple in the freezer for next year.If you have a hot seed that is no doubt proven.You dont need to start more then 1.I did grow 2 2009s last year & ended up with the 1768 & 1395.Glad I started 2.If I ended up with just the 1395 I wouldnt have been thrilled about it.The plants grew side by side.yet almost 400 lb difference.I never said RON did this with every seed he ever grew.I said he recommended this as 1 method of growing.

12/19/2014 7:22:27 PM

Muddy Waters

Pumpking you said this Those of you who definitely recommend growers should start 4 seeds (or at least 2 or 3), you could easily help other growers do that the way you suggest simply by filling the respective number of seeds in the envelopes you send out to the clubs for auctions.
@myself: Continue to respond on seed requests with multiply filled envelopes and with adding the comment that the growers better start more than just one seed and then stick with the strongest plant.


If we did this they wouldnt grow 4 plants.They would hoard them.If a guy wants 4 seeds he needs to go to auctions & buy them.These are fund raisers to help the community.It is good to buy a seed.I practice what I preach.I have spent thousands on seeds in the past 3 years alone.

12/19/2014 7:29:55 PM

Muddy Waters

WEll ok well over a thousand dollars close to 2 grand on seeds.Ask anybody who attends auctions on a regular basis.I buy seeds

12/19/2014 7:32:21 PM

Upa Creek, Mo

That is why you need to befriend the right growers and get the diamond in the rough. There is so much potential out there, but most of it is lost due to wanting seeds based on last name. That so called "rough" who makes the right cross will usually give you 5 seeds if you want it, and if you are a WR caliber grower you can capitalize. Oh it is winter... lol

12/19/2014 8:03:22 PM

Muddy Waters

Yes the big problem is people spend more time & energy chasing seeds.If you put this energy into building your soil & feeding & watering.You can grow big with 90% of the seeds out there.The magic silver bullet seed will flop in a un prepared patch.

12/19/2014 11:06:38 PM

Torrance, Ca.

So exciting and fun Team Faith!

Gooo Joshua!!!

12/19/2014 11:29:41 PM

Mission Viejo, CA

Crud! Now I'm going to lose to TWO KIDS not old enough to know girls don't really have coodies!

Can't wait to go mano e mano with Joshua and Kingston!!

12/20/2014 12:05:23 AM

Muddy Waters

Kevin You can not really compare 4 plants from different seeds.To many variables in plants.Some are big leaf some are small.So its best the have all the same seed to get an honest comparison.

12/20/2014 8:00:48 AM

Nottingham, UK

Pretty sure that most of my seed to others arrives with 3 min, often more, depending on availability.

12/20/2014 2:43:08 PM

Nottingham, UK

@luke.
An example of what I think you mean is Peter Frei. He's remade the 1161, 1385, 1544 etc, great remakes that just won't see dirt as often as they deserve. I took a punt on the 1161 remake and went from a 494 pb to 978 lbs. The following year he sent me 20! Class act in every sense.

12/20/2014 3:58:07 PM

Mission Viejo, CA

Thanks Mark. That makes sense. Only trouble is getting four seeds from the same plant. I was lucky enough to get a 993 v/m but just one....I would be surprised if anyone still had four of them!

12/20/2014 4:26:10 PM

Muddy Waters

Yes if one is all you can get go for it.But on your own seeds start 4 plants.It will better your odds of weeding out a dud.There are duds in every seed line.

12/20/2014 5:31:05 PM

Muddy Waters

Dandy town I wish I had 20 1317s to send to every one.Im down to my last hand full.It would be nice to have few for the clubs next year.

12/20/2014 5:33:48 PM

Nottingham, UK

Very true Mark, it's all about supply and demand with the demand for the 1161 remake not being high.

Anyway, finances permitted a 1317 via auction and I'm very happy

1/14/2015 12:11:45 PM

Colorado

Last year I started two of each that I wanted to go with that were others crosses.As luck would have it I had one mutant out of each of three seed stocks.I was able to go with original lineup by doing multiples.Ive got multiples on 2015 lineup for that reason.And 2327 meier isn't on my list that's a hard one/expensive to have two or three of to try.

1/14/2015 1:47:03 PM